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Mariel
Posted: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:52:07 PM
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I'm so disappointed in my LIS program I find I don't even have much interest left in the profession. Which is silly because I've never worked in it, but it doesn't have half the appeal to me now that it did for decades. But I'm halfway through the masters, it's not difficult, and my employer is paying, so disinterest isn't really a good enough reason to quit now. With spring semester looming, I guess I'm just looking for a little encouragement. I mean, a lousy school experience means nothing about one's career experience, right? One librarian told me nearly everyone hates the school and loves the job, it's just a step you have to take. True for you? Or should I cut my losses and quit chasing a degree that no longer holds much interest to me? Yes, I know I need to go volunteer and start on internships but I have to work FT to keep my tuition reimbursement and the way that plan works I will have to drag this degree out for another 16 months. So I figure my one internship might best be left close to graduation. Thanks for any thoughts!
bcgray
Posted: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:39:11 AM

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There is quite a difference between the school experience and the "real world" experience.

First, I would ask do you really have an understanding of the day to day responsibilities of the jobs that interest you? Do you have the same feeling for that as you do your school experience. If so, you have some more personal reflection to undertake to decide your career path.

If you are not sour on the profession, but rather your education, you are probably OK still, IF...
1. you do not let it harm your learning and exploration
2. you do not carry the same disappointment into interviews (either in your attitude or bad mouthing your experiences, professors, or classes)

I would like into any local or school professional organizations you have in your area. They break up the educational experience and give you some glimpses into the "real world".

Good luck!

Brian C. Gray
Head of Reference & Engineering Librarian
Kelvin Smith Library
Case Western Reserve University
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DianeS
Posted: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:40:56 AM
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I am one of those people; I loved my master's work, so it is difficult for me to understand the specific level of frustration you are obviously feeling at this point in your career. However with that said, I know everyone does not like school. After talking to different new librarians, one specifically a recent graduate, it seems disappointment and frustration with the LIS process may be a growing problem within the profession that needs to be addressed.

I agree with Brian, there is indeed a vast difference between real world and schooling. I feel librarianship is a challenging, interesting, and rewarding career. Therefore, my concern would be for you following a path that you appear to have lost professional interest in persuing.

What about the school is particularly problematic?
Do you have a mentor available to discuss your concerns?
Is there an academic mentor for you at your university that would be open to dialogue?

-- and conversly --

What made you want to be a librarian?
Is the final professional experience one you want?
Do you still want to be a librarian?

Take some time and a step back before you make any final decisions. Get involved with student organizations, attend a local conference, and talk with professionals in the field. These things may change your outlook and help you reclaim the original spark that made you consider LIS masters work. If the problem is the school, maybe you can look at online opportunities for coursework you could take in conjunction with your current course load (University of Pittsburgh, Fast Track comes to mind).
TalkingBooksLibrarian
Posted: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:11:49 AM
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I loved my library school! And I love my job! But it is true that your school experience really means nothing about your job experience. One can be good and the other not, or both can be good, both can be bad, etc. I would recommend that you continue the degree, especially if it is at no cost to you. Never turn down a free education! :)

You may find that volunteer work and internships or other "hands on" library experiences are very rewarding for you. I would encourage you to look into these sooner rather than later.

Check out the Talking Books Librarian blog at http://talkingbookslibrarian.blogspot.com
Mariel
Posted: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 12:12:40 PM
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You're right- it means nothing. Any course or job could be interesting or torturous to me, depending on the people.

I could squeeze in some volunteer hours but public librarianship isn't high on my list anymore. Do academic or other libraries use volunteers that aren't their own students? My school isn't local.

Thanks for responding!
TalkingBooksLibrarian
Posted: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:04:39 PM
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I also wanted to add that if you find a professor you really like (ask other students if you haven't found a good prof yet) and who is really good at teaching, take as many classes as you can from that professor - you can often gain more from these classes than other courses, even if the course topics aren't as interesting to you as some of the others from more boring professors... the professors can truly make all the difference!

I don't know about academic libraries, but different types of special libraries do use volunteers, so you might try that avenue for volunteering.

Check out the Talking Books Librarian blog at http://talkingbookslibrarian.blogspot.com
henrietta1609
Posted: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:06:02 PM
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I went to library school out from undergrad (I was a history major) so it was nice seeing other 20 somethings in the program.
I didn't stay in the same state for grad school. I attended a predominantly undergrad state university. What a change of a location! I went from being in the suburbs of a major city to a rural location. Since it was in a rural location, it wasn't well-known outside of the region. With such a small town (over 6000) there was little to do so you had to travel to get anywhere.
I had professors who were better than others. My academic advisor wasn't the greatest. I had a wonderful prof with whom I had 3 classes. He gave plenty of advice in and out of the classroom. When it came time to job hunt, that prof was the one who looked over my resume and cover letter and served as a reference. (I totally avoided the campus career services center for my job hunt)
I could've gone to a different school but finding housing would've been a challenge. My program was ok but not the greatest.
I concur with DianeS, get involved with a student organization. I was involved with 3 clubs including the ALA student chapter. I also presented a (old) history paper at a regional history honor society conference. I also made friends with those in my program and undergrads. Library school should be more than going to class.
What really turned me off about the university was its poor outreach to graduate students (ie no student orientation for grad students among my other complaints) so I wouldn't donate money readily.
sarahdq
Posted: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:22:05 PM
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I had somewhat of a similar experience--my undergrad degree is from a college where I was constantly challenged and encouraged to think outside of the box. I was surprised when I entered my MSLS program and didn't feel challenged. It was discouraging and disheartening and I found myself not enjoying the experience. I thought about where my own librarianship interests were, though, and "personalized" my MSLS program. Each time I was given a paper to write, I focused on the assignment through the lens of my own interests (librarianship to diverse communities, in my case). I would really recommend taking a route like this if you are feeling stagnant or dreading the upcoming semester. Make the program your own!
indigo66
Posted: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:02:23 PM
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Hi,

I was one of the people who was disappointed with what my library school offered me. I was only a year out of my undergrad with a history degree, and from a school and program I had loved. I went to a small private school that cost a fortune for my MLS, and was so upset by the quality of the classes. I was interested in going into school libraries and went to talk with the person in charge and was basically told to forget it because I didn't have my teaching degree already and schools only wanted "master teachers." So I gave it up. Guess what? I'm now almost done completing my certification for working in school libraries. I decided I had to go back because that is what I love. It took me 8 years to go back. I wish I'd just done what I needed to do in the beginning, rather than waiting.

That being said, I loved my job in the public library as a young adult librarian. It gave me the opportunity to work with teachers, students and school library media specialists in the schools we served. It gave me time to grow, learn from other great librarians, and come into my own. I have confidence in my abilities and know what I can and can't do.

Stay and get your degree. Get a job in a library you think you might like. Give it a year at least. Worst case, you hate working in libraries. But you still have the masters and that can't be taken away.

In any case, good luck, and remember you are already half way there! :)
jazzlovr
Posted: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 3:20:20 PM
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Hated library school (I'll name names- UT Austin), love the job. What got me through the program was volunteering at the graduate library reference desk- I think it was about 4 hours a week. That experience showed me if I could just stomach the program, I'd enjoy the work. I'm at an academic library where we have indeed had volunteers and interns from other schools. Can't hurt to ask your local academic libraries!
Mariel
Posted: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:32:06 PM
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Thank you all so much. I feel a lot better about the upcoming semester. I too had a top notch undergrad program and my MLIS program is not cheap in the least. I wish I had found or heard of one good prof in this program. But that's the breaks. I should be glad I have tuition assistance and the opportunity at all. (We need a smiley that's just a plain ol' smile!)

Keryth
Posted: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:39:46 PM
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Almost every librarian I've met so far hated library school. I just graduated last month and there were some professors I was not fond of and others I loved. I haven't been far enough removed to say if I loved/hated the whole experience because it hasn't sunk in that I'm actually done!

I was at a distance ed program and quite warmly welcomed into my local academic library for my internship even though I wasn't one of their students. I'm hopeful that there's at least one professor in your program that you like, ask them about any connections they may have in your region for introductions/networking. Opening my big mouth and asking lots of questions has gotten me quite far and impressed people. Librarians *love* when you ask about their background, how they decided to get in the field, networking and job tips for the area, etc. Good luck and hang in there! Remember the degree doesn't only qualify you to work in libraries and information organization transfers to many other fields as well.
bcgray
Posted: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:48:44 PM

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Mariel wrote:
Do academic or other libraries use volunteers that aren't their own students? My school isn't local.


Yes, but it depends on the organizations policies, procedures, and attitudes. For example, my library often has accepted volunteers from various library schools. But I have heard other libraries do not due to union restrictions or dozens of other reasons.

Brian C. Gray
Head of Reference & Engineering Librarian
Kelvin Smith Library
Case Western Reserve University
http://blog.case.edu/bcg8
bcg8@case.edu
kag171717
Posted: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:20:57 AM
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loved simmons college, love the job. but they education and the job aren't necessarily related.
joan
Posted: Friday, January 25, 2008 3:21:28 PM
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I also loved school (UNC-Chapel Hill), but it was also my undergrad alma mater, and I had a great job at the university library during school, and they won't the national championship in my favorite sport (men's basketball) while I was there... so I had a lot more going on than just my coursework.

I will say that it's really important to choose classes based on the prof, not on the content of the course. It was hard to stick to this lesson, but inevitably, the class that seemed great would turn out bad if there had been rumors that the instructor wasn't good. So take classes with the best instructors and professors (and don't assume that adjuncts are bad and professors are good--it depends very much on the person).
dbriel
Posted: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 2:31:42 PM

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I loved the University of Denver, most all my professors and fellow students, love the work...as much as I can get! I especially appreciate how generous working librarians are with their time, ideas and suggestions. I agree that the courses (overall) weren't too challenging, but my own areas of interest developed and made me challenge myself. I became less concerned with grades and professors' opinions than I was with what I learned and experienced.

Find the thing that piques your curiosity or passion and follow it where it leads.
2Lizards
Posted: Sunday, March 30, 2008 3:53:56 PM
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I've had a really good experience at UT, Knoxville. I will say that I have been frustrated at times with the lack of on-campus courses. I don't mind logging in to DE courses from home (and, at times, it's been really handy), but I learn best in a more traditional, face-to-face setting, especially if it's a seminar format. I do not take very well to long lectures and lots of powerpoint slides! This is compounded by sitting and staring at a computer screen while your significant other is sitting and reading or watching a good movie on tv :).

I have often heard that the education and the job are not very similar. I think that's probably true for any "professional" program (as opposed to an "academic" or research program). IT folks say they learn more in the first 6 months on the job than in all their computer courses combined. That will, to some degree, be true for many of us, I think.
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