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cfriemann
Posted: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 9:30:18 PM
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Hi everyone (long post, sorry):

I'm considering going for a MLS. Before I waste some more tuition money (I have a BA fashion design which DID NOT pay off to do), I'd like to find out from current or former librarians if this is a wise career path. Basically I'm not qualified to do much more than fashion/jewelry jobs (can't even get a stinkin' clerical job!), and a MLS or law degree seems like the only masters which don't require specific bachelors majors. If you know of other Masters programs that don't want specific Bachelors majors I'm all ears (I don't want a MBA).

I think I enjoy finding out info for people and researching (I do Yahoo Answers a lot and enjoy it), so librarianship sounds like a match. I also got high scores in Classification on a career test.

My questions are:

*How easy is it to find a librarian position after the MLS? (I plan on doing internships during school to increase my chances. That didn't seem to effect my fashion prospects for some reason, though. I just kept getting offered internships after graduation!)

*Is it necessary to be geographically mobile to find and keep jobs? (one thing I hated about fashion was you must live in NYC or LA for work)

*I hear the upcoming retirement of many librarians is going to open up a lot more jobs, do you think there's enough new grads already to fill these jobs? It seems MLS programs are popular now...

*How stressful or inflexible are the job tasks/environment/co-workers?

*Are you happy with the salary and career?

*What skills are needed to be a good candidate?

I'm interested in hearing from librarians of all sorts, but I'm mostly interested in school or academic librarianship right now (open to other ones too)

many thanks all!
bcgray
Posted: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:40:30 PM

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First, I would do very close inspection of your own desires through this process as you give the impression you are picking the field based on the ability to get the degree and not what you want to be doing.

There is no specific answer for ease fo finding a job. It depends on your location, existing skill set, timing, interests, library funding, etc. You will get a different answer for this question based on everyone you talk to.

You often hear that to guarantee quick employment you often get two of these 3 goals: location, salary, or type of library/position. This is not always the case as it all depends on the factors I listed above.

Number of grads does not mean anything if students are not focusing on the needs of specific libraries and organizations.

I recommend you visit libraries that interest you to learn more. Library environments vary based on geography, local funding, patrons, parent organization. Librarianship is a far reaching profession so many of these type of questions do not have specific answers.

Brian C. Gray
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Case Western Reserve University
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jbruckner
Posted: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:01:14 PM

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I'll chime in here.

You'll have a better time landing fulfilling employment if you are mobile and can move. Library jobs don't exactly pay the greatest (at least entry level jobs) so don't go gung-ho and get into massive debt while you are in graduate school. Apply for scholarships, and clip those coupons. Believe me, it adds up quickly.

I have found my career to be very rewarding, but my career isn't exactly about a big job with big pay. I do fine, but my career is all about people. As a librarian, the people shape me and then I shape the people.

This might sound a little negative, but it still must be said. When people talk about a "looming librarian shortage" or "librarians retiring" you should take this with a grain of salt. If you do research on these topics, you'll actually find statistics that contradict many of these claims. Many people are finding out how truly competitive this field is, and MLS does not guarantee you a job.

With that being said, there is a lot to be said about determination and passion in this field. If you work hard and keep at it, you can accomplish more than you dreamed of.
Hollis
Posted: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:58:33 PM
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I am going to be methodical here, and answer your questions in order.

*How easy is it to find a librarian position after the MLS? This depends on whether you are willing to move, how much you expect to make annually, and what kind of library you want to work in. Academic will most likely require a second master's in your area of specialty. Smaller colleges may not--depends on the individual place, most likely.

*Is it necessary to be geographically mobile to find and keep jobs? Yes, you need mobility to get the first job, or a least be willing to consider different places. You don't say where you are, so maybe there is a good system to work in nearby. This is true for any profession, though, when you start out.

*I hear the upcoming retirement of many librarians is going to open up a lot more jobs, do you think there's enough new grads already to fill these jobs? It seems MLS programs are popular now... I agree that this is grossly overstated. NOt because there isn't a need for librarians, but because the government keeps raising (actually both state and federal) the base line for retirement. People who planned to retire at 62 years of age are now looking at 67 or even 70.

*How stressful or inflexible are the job tasks/environment/co-workers? Stress and inflexibility are matters of personal reaction, I think. Any job can be stressful---if you aren't terribly talented, I imagine being a fry-cook at Mc Donalds would be hard. If you put a great deal of yourself into work, you will have stress. Some libraries/departments will be more inflexible than others, and quite often that depends on the regulations of the system. IF you are working in a very urban area, you will have more stress dealing with the daily non-patrons than if you are in a rural area. But, it is your reaction to this kind of pressure---you probably won't have people threatening to rob you at gunpoint most days.


*Are you happy with the salary and career? Do not go into this profession for the money. You can make a living on what you are paid, but you will earn it. The rewards come from working with people---if you do not like people a great deal, consider a different field of work.

*What skills are needed to be a good candidate? Patience, flexibilty and humor. Lots of humour!!

librarybob
Posted: Thursday, May 29, 2008 4:34:49 PM

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A successful (happy!) librarian must have, I think, at least one of four very different passions.

These are: To Educate, To Learn, To Organize, To Love One or More Particular Media. ("To Love Books" doesn't cut it anymore, most places. Boo hoo! )

You have to decide which of these passions you have. It will help define your professional career path. If you do not have one, please do yourself a favor and stay away from librarianship.

Mine was "To Learn" and this served me well for many years as a reference librarian. As an administrator, I've picked up To Educate and To Organize since these are also principles that guide what my library actually does ... and I leave "To Love One or More Particular Media" to those who do this far better than me.

jbruckner
Posted: Thursday, May 29, 2008 6:02:45 PM

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I agree with librarybob; I'll break my passion set down into three particular passions:

1) The passion to promote. Particularly, a desire to be influential. If you can't be influential, you won't remain relevant.

2) The passion to encourage. Your job is all about assisting people, so have patience and be persistent in the quest for good information.

3) The passion to grow. If you're new to the field, I strongly recommend that you seek out opportunities to work for proactive directors. Proactive library directors create leadership development opportunities for all staff. These directors can take pride in the fact that when they create an inviting environment for staff to further their development inside the library’s walls and outside of them as well, tomorrow’s leaders emerge.

If you possess these passions, you are on your way.
jandel72
Posted: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:53:32 AM
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librarybob wrote:
A successful (happy!) librarian must have, I think, at least one of four very different passions.

These are: To Educate, To Learn, To Organize, To Love One or More Particular Media. ("To Love Books" doesn't cut it anymore, most places. Boo hoo! )

You have to decide which of these passions you have. It will help define your professional career path. If you do not have one, please do yourself a favor and stay away from librarianship.

Mine was "To Learn" and this served me well for many years as a reference librarian. As an administrator, I've picked up To Educate and To Organize since these are also principles that guide what my library actually does ... and I leave "To Love One or More Particular Media" to those who do this far better than me.



Librarybob,

You are terrific Librarybob! You always say the right thing and your words always convey what I am thinking! Thanks for your great posts ....they make my day!

Jewels
cfriemann
Posted: Saturday, May 31, 2008 3:18:07 PM
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All good points, thanks everyone.

This gives me something to think about. I'm not too bothered by the salary of librarianship (I've been making $10 an hr for the past 3 years) so it's actually a step up for me. I wonder if the increase in students of MLS has something to do with the poor job prospects of BA degrees nowadays.

I don't think I'd go for a public position in any case. Here in San Diego the public libraries are used as cheap daycare and cool places to sit for hobos, I don't think I'd want to deal with that!

I do have a passion for learning and getting information to people. Maybe high school librarianship would be more to my liking.
librarybob
Posted: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:20:35 PM

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(Thank you, jandel72. But I'll likely muff an easy infield fly pretty soon ... Anxious )
zayit
Posted: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:25:54 PM
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My 2 cents...public librarianship is not for everyone--heck I don't even know if it's for me, even though I'm here!

If you can get out of San Diego, and are curious about other places, you'll see there's all sorts of public libraries, but we all have this in common: the public, whoever they are, all types of people from all walks of life and their kids and grandparents...

Whether you go for academia or high school, go for it!
jbruckner
Posted: Monday, June 02, 2008 4:40:01 PM

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I'm a public librarian, and it's the only thing I ever wanted to do (well, besides write.) I work two jobs to make ends meet now, and I work in a tourist town (one the busiest towns in the summer in the Midwest.) I thoroughly enjoy helping people in my chosen role...
zayit
Posted: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 10:58:39 AM
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Jbruckner--just a question: Since you work in a tourist town, do you have lots of tourists coming to use the computers? If so, do you issue them library cards, temporary cards, have any other set-up? With the print-your-own boarding pass deal, we've seen an increase in out-of-towners wanting to use our Internet accessible computers. We can issue them cards, but I'm just wondering what you do--and if the moderators want to put this somewhere else, that's fine with me!
thanks!
zayit
henrietta1609
Posted: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:59:05 AM
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We too get our share of tourists. We have temporary computer cards for longer sessions as well as the 15 minute Express Computers.
jbruckner
Posted: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 6:18:35 AM

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zayit wrote:
Jbruckner--just a question: Since you work in a tourist town, do you have lots of tourists coming to use the computers? If so, do you issue them library cards, temporary cards, have any other set-up? With the print-your-own boarding pass deal, we've seen an increase in out-of-towners wanting to use our Internet accessible computers. We can issue them cards, but I'm just wondering what you do--and if the moderators want to put this somewhere else, that's fine with me!
thanks!
zayit



We have 14 Internet terminals, and they are busy from open (9AM) to close (8PM) every day, non-stop. We limit people to 30 minutes per day on the Internet, and we take reservations. The majority of the time we are booked hours in advance. With the foreign workers working in our town, we serve a clientèle from over 36 different countries, and the requirements for a library card are translated into over 10 different languages (14 right now I do believe.)
anothersearcher
Posted: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:59:04 AM
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In considering the profession, I'd suggest that you take a look at some class syllabi from a library school program. Many schools post these online. If they don't, you can still get a decent idea of the profession from looking at course titles. And look at a variety of library schools!

You should also take a hard look at the job postings (like the ones here at LISjobs). Pay careful attention to the required skills and duties that are listed. Would you be interested in many of the positions, or only in one of the last 50 posted? If the latter is the case, you will likely have a very tough time finding a job that suits your desires. Also, if you are going to be geographically restricted, take a close look at how many jobs have been posted (that you would be interested in) for your area in the past year. Not many? Consider what that would mean to your job search.

Many people have a very romantic idea of the profession that involves working with great literature and great ideas. The reality of many jobs these days is to deal with issues including (and this is a very small portion of what folks deal with):

- technology (web, web 2.0, databases, metadata)
- administration (writing and reviewing policies, keeping stats, budget, meetings galore!)
- social work type issues (homeless patrons, children in the library, equitable service)
- legal issues (copyright, licensing, equitable services, censorship issues)
- instruction (teaching people how to use technology and library resources)
- programming (planning events, classes, orientations, etc.)

If these are things you can get excited about, you'll probably enjoy libraries. But my main advice to all those considering the profession is to recognize the difference between the *collections* and the *job*. Your job will never be to read the books. Your job will be to do all the administrative work that it takes to allow/convince others to read the books, visit the website, use your resources, etc.

But YES, it can be a great profession! We wouldn't be here if we didn't think so. But like all professions, it's great for some, and not a good fit for others.


cfriemann wrote:
All good points, thanks everyone.

This gives me something to think about. I'm not too bothered by the salary of librarianship (I've been making $10 an hr for the past 3 years) so it's actually a step up for me. I wonder if the increase in students of MLS has something to do with the poor job prospects of BA degrees nowadays.

I don't think I'd go for a public position in any case. Here in San Diego the public libraries are used as cheap daycare and cool places to sit for hobos, I don't think I'd want to deal with that!

I do have a passion for learning and getting information to people. Maybe high school librarianship would be more to my liking.
bcgray
Posted: Thursday, June 05, 2008 7:21:19 PM

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anothersearcher wrote:
In considering the profession, I'd suggest that you take a look at some class syllabi from a library school program. Many schools post these online. If they don't, you can still get a decent idea of the profession from looking at course titles. And look at a variety of library schools!

You should also take a hard look at the job postings (like the ones here at LISjobs).

The job postings will tell you much more than the class information.

Brian C. Gray
Head of Reference & Engineering Librarian
Kelvin Smith Library
Case Western Reserve University
http://blog.case.edu/bcg8
bcg8@case.edu
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